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Re: [JBC] live CDRs, a protocol proposal

From: Doc <>
Date: Tue 07 May 2002 - 08:05:44 PDT

Hi All

I have nil experience with trading trees and no JBC material that hasn't already been passed around on this list like the village bike. However, I volunteer the services of my creaky Imation CD burner. My rules are:

-"Pat says it's OK to trade this stuff" ONLY. -I check each CD I burn to make the recording went OK. It may take an extra day or two for turnaround.
-I don't have a printer, so I won't include a cover.

If you can live with this, then I'll be happy to participate.


  • Brandon <> wrote:
    > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:13:48AM -0700, Glen Davis wrote:
    > I second this in every way - bandwidth allowing, this seems to be the best
    > way for lossless shows to make their way around, coupled of course with
    > a cd-r tree for the bandwidth-impared. :)
    > I also second that, as a late JBC convert (first experience was being
    > dragged to the SF GAMH reunion show in '98) I have missed quite a few tours
    > that I'd love to at least get a sense of...
    > B
    > > Apologies to David, the first time I sent this, I just hit reply and only
    > > sent it to him.
    > >
    > > I absolutely agree with David here. If at all possible, it is best to go
    > > from a digital source like DAT to wave via an optical cable into a good
    > > sound card that doesn't resample input (on a computer) or to a cdr
    > recorder.
    > > Maybe we should hold off on starting to trade around cdrs that were
    > mastered
    > > from cassettes. Someday, we all hope, David will be able to 'release the
    > > vault' as it were (hopefully as shns), and then we'd all need to start
    > > replacing our cassette generation copies.
    > > I guess I've just be jonesing for some of the older shows and David's
    > > probably the only one who was able to capture those gems on a DAT instead
    > of
    > > a walkman held up in the audience.
    > >
    > > Ideally, IMO, what would work best and easiest, is if the best known copy
    > > around is converted to shn format (a lossless compression format) and then
    > > we could ftp shn files with each other. That way there is no generational
    > > loss, everyone has an exact clone of the original (shn files have check
    > > sums), and people can do whatever the hell they like with them ... i.e.
    > > convert and burn them to cdr or dvdr or play them directly with shnamp.
    > > This isn't exactly a new idea, it's exactly what we've been doing with jam
    > > band shows (Dead, Phish, Moe, MMW, Dave Mathews, etc.) and Pink Floyd shows
    > > for the last several years. Everyone gets a clone where we know everything
    > > from what mics, DAT machine, cable, soundcard, editing program, etc. to who
    > > taped the show in the first place.
    > >
    > > Any thoughts on this idea.
    > > Glen
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "David Whittemore" <>
    > > > please, for the love of the music, if you do this, be SURE to specify:
    > > >
    > > > generation (master clone, gen 1, gen 2, gen X, unknown)
    > > > processing (dry, EQ, etc)
    > > > originator contact information (who'd it come from)
    > > >
    > > > this way, one can always try to strive to get closer to the master.
    > > >
    > > > me? i'm not going to burn any of my 80 JBC DATs to disc until they can
    > > > be held in their entirety on a single disc - which means i'm waiting for
    > > > DVD burning to standardize or until something more sane comes along.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > -david (
    > > >
    > >
    > >

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